there is another thread on here regarding elders and cpr.. having read the thread and not wishing to hijack it some thoughts struck me.. in most places in north america you don't have a legal duty to help someone in need if you are a first aider.
to aid this there are the principles of the good samaritan.
these are identified by the st john ambulance as:.
Thanks for your answers guys, as I have never been a witness (but married to one) I am confused how some rules can be flouted and others seem so hard set.
Whilst DF and Da are shunned, one would hope that if they needed first aid, a witness would help. Could they really stand there and do nothing? yet in doing so they would be breaking the laws of the WBTS
If they break this law to save a life?
Why can't they break other WBTS laws to save a life?
can someone send me the new elders book in pdf or through a web link?
thanks..
can someone send me the torrent link too please
there is another thread on here regarding elders and cpr.. having read the thread and not wishing to hijack it some thoughts struck me.. in most places in north america you don't have a legal duty to help someone in need if you are a first aider.
to aid this there are the principles of the good samaritan.
these are identified by the st john ambulance as:.
There is another thread on here regarding elders and CPR.
Having read the thread and not wishing to hijack it some thoughts struck me.
In most places in North America you don't have a legal duty to help someone in need if you are a first aider. To aid this there are the principles of the good samaritan. These are identified by the St John ambulance as:
Consent - identifying yourself and getting permission to help the person before you touch them
Reasonable skill and care - acting accordingly to the level of skill and knowlege you have
Negligence - using common sense and making sure your actions are in the best interest of the casualty
Abandonment - never leaving a casulty in your care, staying with them till medical help arrives.
They continue to say that you are the good smaritan if you give help with no legal duty to provide help and that you expect no reward. Ie your doing because you care about the person and not for another reason.
Based on this how many witnesses are qualified in CPR and used the legal protection of the good samaritan?
How do they reconcile the basis of the good samaritan identified by SJA and that identifed by the WBTS who only helps witnesses? (Hati and Italy earthquakes come to mind?) Helping someone with the intent of converting them is NOT being a good samaritan!
Now here comes the tricky bit where legals come into play.
In the workplace and under quebec charter of human rights and freedoms you MUST help someone who's life is in danger provided you don't put yourself or others in danger. (Spritual danger I don't think washes here!)
How does a witness deal with that? Df's and DA's can't be helped? Legally they must be if you worked with them or you live in quecbec.
More so if you were the designated first aider for a KH, wouldn't you be legally bound to help the person no matter what their status with the dubs?
As the principles of the SJA clash with the rules of the WBTS on shunning
Which prevails? Life or the law of the WBTS?
are you a jw or if you were one do you still have any jw traits left?
take this quiz to see... .
http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-quiz.php.
i ask this, because i just got wind that at my hall, we're paying the travel expenses for a bethelite to come and do our memorial talk.
i don't know how much this is going to run us, but i fail to see the practicality of it.
he's not delivering a special memorial outline or anything.
As an UBM and someone who now only attends memorials and funerals and avoids meetings like the plague, my experiences of speakers is probably a bit limited but when a brother from the bethel comes to talk it gets the MIL VERY excited and come hell or high water she is going to be there! In doing this she usually drags along the wife and I get an invite too, with how very interesting and uplifting its going to be which i refuse politely.
As I have found none of the speakers particularly engaging, infact some of the local elders could probably make stones bleed if it would help them escape. I certainly wouldn't say that any of them made me desire for a "free bible study"! Uplifting, wasn't something i would describe it as either!
but 2 inparticular stand out to me:
1) Memorial 2010 - Definietely a closet gay! The gaydar was going off the chart! Nothin particularly memorable about what he said, put jw before everything, the number partaking in memorial is dropping so these are the last days blah blah blah but what really caught me were his manorisms! Even the wife agreed and I did have to smile when the MIL commented on what a nice man he was and how good his speech was!
2) Memorial 2007? - This old boy was obviously a bit of a heavy hitter but there was a lot of hot air. His speech wasn't so much memorable but more offensive. He made some statement that the kids in the audience would never go to college or become adults and time drawing to an end. I guess for a dub this is all good as they get to pet lions, but so much for dreams, hopes and innocence......
I guess then the only purpose is to get the R&F fired up to bring more people to memorial so they can fudge the numbers a bit more
a while ago this story came out that baby p dad had become a jw.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/181524/1/baby-p-dad-converts-in-prison.
well it seems now he has become a catholic.. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3395142/baby-p-killer-steven-barker-34-claims-god-has-forgiven-him-for-child-death.html.
someone at the watchtower is going to be loving this and probably claiming it as a "return to satan".. .
*** Rant on ***
I am sorry but this B$^t%^d is in clink for torturing and killing his son. Religious freedom or not I don't think that these groups should be allowed into prison to provide comfort / conversion of lags. Found god or just using it as a way to justify and clear the guilt from your mind of the crimes you committed?
Prison is a punishment and your right of freedom is removed. Including your religious one.
*** Rant off ***
At the same time I wonder what converted him to catholism and how the dubs explained this one!
a while ago this story came out that baby p dad had become a jw.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/181524/1/baby-p-dad-converts-in-prison.
well it seems now he has become a catholic.. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3395142/baby-p-killer-steven-barker-34-claims-god-has-forgiven-him-for-child-death.html.
someone at the watchtower is going to be loving this and probably claiming it as a "return to satan".. .
A while ago this story came out that Baby P dad had become a JW.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/181524/1/Baby-P-dad-converts-in-prison
Well it seems now he has become a catholic.
Someone at the watchtower is going to be loving this and probably claiming it as a "return to satan".
david cameron (prime minister of britain) gave a speech today at a security conference in munich.
the transcipt is here.
he made some interesting points.
Cameron, Clegg and co are better than the idiots that were in there before. I am not a massive fan of the LIBCON but more than I am of the labour nightmare and I think that they are making some hard choices due to the bad plans put in 5+ years ago.
But every uk government is good at talking out of both sides of its mouth.
What is interesting about the religious freedom is that in the uk it doesn't extend to the work place and is being trumped by discrimination. Recently there have been a couple of cases where government adoption services and relate staff have been dismissed and gone to tribunal for religious discrimination. In both cases the employee was dismissed for not providing service to clients who lifestyle conflicted with the employee's religious view point. (homosexuality).
In both cases the claims were dismissed as the judge ruled that the claiments needed to look past their own religious viewpoints.
hmm.
and maybe even live a heck of a lot better, to be quite honest, as i'm kinda poor right now.
if not, then what the heck am i doing being a christian?
SD-7 said
I chose to support her freedom of belief in what small ways I could, and now she's able to give talks. I do not wish to attend, for obvious reasons, but I will do so to support her.
This statement alone deserves masses of respect. Something that most witnesses will not understand but really speaks volumes about you and your feelings for your wife.
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/french-news/europe-court-to-hear-jehovah-witness-tax-case-against-france_99836.html.
europe court to hear jehovah witness tax case against france 9-29-10. the european court of human rights said wednesday it had agreed to consider a case brought by the jehovah witness christian sect against the french government over taxation of donations.. in its request, the group alleged an infringement of the right to religious freedom saying the french government had tried to curtail its activities by demanding in may 1998 taxes on donations from its followers.. the sect said the move was an attempt to end the autonomy of religious communities.. french authorities say the donations were not raised from a religious source and so were subject to the same rules as other donations.. the 1998 demand was for 45 million euros (61 million dollars) at the time, but this amount had since reached 57.5 million euros, according to france.. it involves donations from 250,000 people over four years, an average amount of four euros per person a month between 1993 and 1996.. the court, based in the french city of strasbourg, however rejected a case of religious discrimination against the jehovah's witnesses.. .
2010 afp.
Whilst the court is in France it is part of the European Union and independent of French Government.
I have lost track of what the ruling from the human rights court was for the russia issue however I was a little surprised due to Russia NOT being part of the EU so any rulling would have no effect anyway!
In light of recent events in France (the Roma issue) don't be surprised if whatever way the ruling goes, the french do what they want!
